Schroders: Where we are seeing market opportunities and risks
At Schroders annual investment dinner, held in London, fund managers exchanged views on the current and future potential opportunities in markets around the world. Here, we round-up their insights on a challenging market environment.
Marcus Brookes, Head of Multi-Manager
What is your view on US Treasuries and the US economy in general?
“With the US 10-year Treasury yielding around 2% we’re in the zone where you have to be rather pessimistic on the US economy to think that bonds offer any value. It’s rare that I get called an optimist, but on the US I am pretty optimistic and I think the US economy is doing fine.
“The industrial side looks awful, but that’s not unusual for America, and the service side is looking pretty good. Wage growth is finally coming through and could be 2% to 3% this year, plus with the consumer benefiting from lower oil costs, better discretionary spending could finally come through this year and we could see decent growth and a gentle rise in inflation. So - we see a more positive outcome for the economy, though that doesn’t mean a positive outcome for the US stockmarket.”
Where do you see the best investment opportunities globally?
“I think the real value still resides in places like European and Japanese equities, where some well-known issues have held back the economic data from coming through. Now the economic data in Europe looks fantastic, so it has a good economic tailwind married with reasonable equity valuations.”
“Japan is in a similar scenario. They’re doing quantitative easing (QE) and really have got to get their economy going and are willing to do whatever it takes. Valuations in Japan are less cheap than Europe, but there’s some good profit growth going on. Plus they’ve managed to weaken their currency, which is useful. I think Japan and Europe look very good and I have to say I think emerging markets are getting into that zone too.”
Gareth Isaac, Senior Fixed Income Fund Manager
Are market falls overdone?
“The world isn’t as bad as it seems. The market is overreacting and sentiment is very poor – but I do think we are starting to see a bottoming out of that and we’ll start to see an improvement in sentiment and asset markets.”
Where do you see the best fixed income opportunities?
“Both investment grade and non-investment grade corporate bonds are looking very attractive on a multi-year basis, even though they could yet have further outflows. They are pricing in a recessionary environment. Spreads between corporate and government bonds have widened substantially over the last few months and we are seeing some attractive opportunities.”
Are we about to see a wave of defaults in the high yield sector?
“I don’t think defaults are going to rise to the extent that is implied in valuations in the high yield market. However, there will be a lot more volatility going forward.”
Nick Kirrage, Co-head Schroder Global Value Team
What is the outlook for UK dividends?
“The UK dividend yield looks like the market is yielding around 4% still, but that is a counterweight between 20 enormous businesses, several of which with dividends the market is telling you are unsustainable, and then a huge number of companies with dividends that are much, much lower because they’re actually quite expensive.
“So we’re now near all-time lows in terms of the number of companies that are yielding more than the market. That is a very telling stat. We talk about stockpickers, but now it is a time for dividend-pickers.”
After a difficult period for value investing, is the tide about to turn?
“In some ways, the worse things get the more positive I become. When things become savage, swift and emotional, and you get capitulation with large shares moving 10% in a day, that’s when something irrational is happening. Typically that is building to an opportunity.”
“Value is not a quirky back-test of history, nor a clever rule of thumb. It works because humans are humans and become very scared and very greedy. Lots of things have changed in markets in my career, but the one thing that hasn’t changed in any way is the emotions of participants. That’s reassuring for our value style as it means the opportunity for us to outperform over the next five years is enormous.”
Matthew Dobbs, Head of Global Small Cap
How bad is the impact of the China slowdown on Asian companies?
“You don’t have to tell the companies we like in Asia – the Taiwanese firms and the Hong Kong blue chips – that life is tough in China. They’ve known that for three years; they’ve been running their businesses in a way that reflects the fact they are very cautious about life. They’re keeping their powder dry.”
What is the outlook for Asian dividends?
“Asia accounts for 8% of the global market cap and yet 30% of all the companies in the world that yield over 4% are listed in Asia. Luckily for us that means we don’t have to own all those companies. An awful lot of them will definitely cut their dividends. On the face of it Chinese banks have big fat dividends, but we don’t own any. We don’t need to go to places we don’t want to go to produce decent dividend income in Asia. A lot of companies are in very good shape and have relatively conservative balance sheets and there is a wealth of dividend availability across different sectors.”
What is the appeal of Asian small caps?
“The appeal of Asian small caps is not only that there is a big opportunity set – with a couple of thousand companies to choose from, but also that like in more mature markets, the small cap sector exposures are very different to large cap. Whereas large cap in places like the US and UK tend to be dominated by big financials, telcos, utilities and miners, small cap is dominated by what I call enterprise sectors like retail, consumer services, healthcare, industrials and to some extent IT. You see the same thing happening in emerging markets. “
What do you think about the longer-term Asian outlook?
“The long-term outlook for Asia as the only credible place to drive growth in the globe is unchallengeable frankly. Remember China growing at the rate it is growing at now is putting as much into global GDP as it did when it was growing at 10% in real terms ten years ago. It is a $10 trillion economy. The implications of Asia on the world are still good rather than bad.”
Rory Bateman, Head of UK and European Equities
What’s behind recent market volatility?
“What we have seen is very much a market correction as opposed to a serious deterioration in the global economic environment, in my view. We’ve seen a lot of volatility and that’s a function of a much stronger dollar, as well as the oil price leading the market to assume there’s a global slowdown. These issues, along with tight liquidity, have created a significant turn in the market and led sentiment to extreme lows.”
Why do you have a positive view on European equities right now?
“I think Europe’s one of the best places to invest from a global equity perspective. Most of Europe’s exports are intra-Europe and there is a significant intra-Europe recovery at play. We are seeing this recovery in consumer sentiment surveys and in recent PMI services surveys. People talk about Europe’s exports to emerging markets, but even in Germany 75% of the economy is services and construction-related.”
“There’s a significant internal recovery story in Europe right now and that will continue. Correlations between stocks have been high because of the fear factor which has led to an indiscriminate selloff, but this has created lots of stock picking opportunities in European equities.”
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